"What will he need to use it for? To him, it's normal. To him, it's..."

He gestures helplessly, not sure how to phrase it. This whole thing is making him sick again. This is why he hadn't wanted to discuss it with Charlie; it would bring the anxiety back, the fear, the racing mind. He could have left it entirely secret, but that's not how he operates around Charlie -- he tells him things, even the things he never wants to talk about again.

"What I'm saying is, we threaten him, he might suddenly find a reason to tell. We leave it alone, so does he."