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sнε υη∂εяsтαη∂s. sнε ∂σεs ησт cσмρяεнεη∂. ([personal profile] enchangement) wrote in [community profile] kore_logs2013-04-23 11:50 am

this city is killing me

Who: River & Daneel followed by River & Ned
What: Now that everyone is back to themselves there are people to look after and friends to make. Alliances. What have you. 
When: Afternoon and evening of day 64
Where: With Daneel on the beach and with Ned in his room


thezerothlaw: (curious)

Re: for Daneel, @ the beach, early afternoon

[personal profile] thezerothlaw 2013-04-23 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
The beach is appropriate enough, and even if Daneel can no longer smell the salt and seaweed in he air in the same way, he remembers it vividly. He can hardly be said to be a sentimental creature, but the beach is a place of good things.

It's simple enough to find River, this human who has summoned him and who surprises him in her knowledge of things, and when he comes near he's already trying to listen to her, to make sense of her.

"My name is Daneel Olivaw." He hasn't ever introduced himself, so perhaps he should do this now. "I'm not sure how I should address you."
thezerothlaw: (oh!)

[personal profile] thezerothlaw 2013-04-24 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
For a moment, Daneel can only take it in, trying to interpret the sudden flood of information. She knows him for what he is -- either she recognises him as robotic or she has heard elsewhere -- knows of his recent change, and her mind. Unlike any mind he's encountered before, certainly human but different in a way that alarms him.

Damaged, perhaps, in a way that horrifies him, a way that would have made him angry when he was human. And there is something else, that reminds him a little of Charles, of the way Charles's mind had reverberated when Daneel listened.

"You are a telepath, as I am," he says, only half a question. He strongly suspects this to be the case, although a different sort than himself, too. "If you could have told me the difference in my mind when I was human, it would have answered a great many of my questions now."
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[personal profile] thezerothlaw 2013-04-24 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
"Then someone has done this to you." This is horrific to Daneel, that anyone would do this an innocent, telepath or not. Brains, whether organic or positronic, are complex and delicate things. To cut, to alter, to harm like this is so very wrong, goes against everything Daneel accepts. Because she is a telepath, because she listens? In his own time and place, the knowledge of what he can do would only lead him to be dismantled, his brain under scrutiny to see what had gone wrong to allow. Is it the same here, perhaps? A young girl with unusual abilities, subject to a surprisingly cold scientific scrutiny? It galls him.

But a friend he will take gladly, and even if it isn't faith in humanity that he has so much as just a need to protect everyone, even if they wish him harm, he'll accept a compromise, a concession, if that's what he can take.

"I could not hear minds either, while this happened." He offers a hand, if she'll take it, palm up in an expression of acceptance. "I am glad of friends, what few I've had. I would be pleased to count you among them, particularly if you are a friend of Ned."
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[personal profile] thezerothlaw 2013-04-24 04:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Her words are like riddles, and he has to pick them apart in his rapid, methodical fashion as she says them. Riddles are difficult for him, but they're nothing more than mysteries, but he can force his way through those. Partner Elijah taught him that much.

"You mean Ned," he concludes after a moment. Their differences, their mutations, kin because of that. "I agree that Ned is very kind. He should not be alone, no more than anyone should. But I feel emotions, not true thoughts, and I did not realise he thought such a thing about himself."
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[personal profile] thezerothlaw 2013-04-25 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
The problem is that literal thought is the only type that Daneel is good at. Metaphors are strange things he can only understand intellectually, but he can't take to them naturally. To him, they're a type of riddle all on their own.

An echo, though: he knows what that is, and understands what she means, and it's a good way to describe the sensation he had when he met Charles, and what he feels now. His own abilities seem very small now, but he'd had nothing to compare them with before.

"I only hear what others are feeling at that moment. I do not have the depth you seem to sense." And he takes her at her word, has to. "I did not realise he felt that way about himself, but I agree that he is very... bright, if I understand your metaphor correctly. He believes his own kindness is false, but it is kindness in truth?"
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[personal profile] thezerothlaw 2013-04-25 08:08 pm (UTC)(link)
He's uncertain; this veers into things he has never been able to plainly decide. That he should be so important to anyone that his well-being should be weighed into consideration -- it's a terrible confusion of the First and Third Laws.

"The First Law states that a robot may not harm a human being, nor through inaction allow a human to come to harm." Even then, it's only words, only approximating a mathemetical construct in his brain. There is no arguing with math. Things are concrete and simple; this is not, and it involves some confusing potentials. "I have no wish to cease functioning, nor to cause Ned any distress by my absence, but serious harm to a human to protect me is problematic by my programming."

Daneel doesn't know how to sort it out. Not yet.
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[personal profile] thezerothlaw 2013-04-25 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
The implications of this question pass over Daneel's head, and he's only left beng very confused by it. He isn't supposed to have friends, though he has and he does. Ned is certainly a friend, and it's a rare enough thing for positronic potentials to shift around a person in the way they have with Ned.

"Ned is," he begins, slowly, "my friend. I wish him to be well, and to be safe, and to be happy. I wish him to realise how kind he has been to me."

His voice is soft. Friend itself is a heavy word for him. He can think of no stronger term to hang on an important person.

"There is very little I would not attempt for his sake."
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[personal profile] thezerothlaw 2013-04-25 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Is he old? Perhaps by some standards. Undying? Again, perhaps, if nothing unfortunate should occur. He's certainly nothing if not patient, and to make Ned happy would be... such a very small thing, but so valuable, so important.

"I will be patient with him," Daneel promises. "I cannot... I would not hurt him, not for anything, but I have never wanted to try to hard to make someone happy. This is a strange situation for me. I am... I am lost."

He is very lost. He is stepping into things he should not do, cannot do, but perhaps might try regardless. It might destroy him, it might not, but he's passing a point that being human for a time accelerated, brought him to far quicker than he was prepared for.
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[personal profile] thezerothlaw 2013-04-26 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
"I am a robot," Daneel says, as though this explains everything. To him, it does. There is a very clear line drawn around what a robot must do and what a robot is, and stepping outside that is strange and uncomfortable.

More explanation is necessary. He knows that. "I was human for a time, and we shared something." She must know this, he reasons, if she hears so much. "It was a valuable experience, but I'm not sure if I am capable of what Ned might need to be happy. If I am not, it may be wrong for me to try."
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[personal profile] thezerothlaw 2013-04-26 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
"I am... not sure what he needs."

Someone who can understand what he feels rather than simply know. Someone who can return a sentiment in the same way rather than in his own, peculiar, robotic analogue. Someone who can support him and help him grow, rather than merely protect him and hold him back. He doesn't know if a robot can fill that role. He thinks of friend Jander, who once faced this. Friend Jander is no longer functioning.

But then, friend Jander never had the many years of experience Daneel has by now. That might make a difference.

"Would it harm him more for me to try and fail, or to fail to try at all?"
thezerothlaw: (alert)

[personal profile] thezerothlaw 2013-04-27 01:32 am (UTC)(link)
"Your opinion may be imperfect, but I value it nontheless."

And he does, very much. River hears so much more than he does, and she has the benefit of already being human, so she must understand these things deeper than he can. Even broken as she is, this must be so.

It's much to think about. It's too much to decide. Daneel gives a little sigh, an entirely communicative gesture. "I will... think on this, what you have told me."
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[personal profile] thezerothlaw 2013-04-28 03:06 pm (UTC)(link)
He'll accept the hug. He's not sure if luck is appropriate, if it's a quantifiable thing that should be hoped for, but he recognises the sentiment for what it is.

"Thank you. You have been helpful, Miss Tam."
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[personal profile] nedofpies 2013-04-24 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
Ned is lying on his side, curled tightly around the hurt. It is lodged in his chest, a physical thing, poisonous and heavy. His eyes are open but dull, staring blankly into the dim blue shadows of the unlit room. He's sunk very low, since Daneel left. It's always been worse for him, at night. It was the same after his mother died. He'd gone through those first few months (years, if he's honest with himself) at the Longborough School for Boys wearing a mask of indifference during the day, but he couldn't keep it up when the sun was down. That was when the sadness snuck up on him, tip-toed its way into the dormitory (between the rows of other boys quietly sleeping) and hollowed him out. Left him a shell pretending to be a boy.

His lassitude is such that he doesn't even flinch when, out of nowhere, River is wrapping her arms around him. Before she speaks, he thinks maybe he's having another nightmare, like the first. Or perhaps it is another monster here to gobble him up - like so many others. He can't imagine caring one way or another. It's too exhausting. All the panic, all the grief, all the foolish hope: it isn't worth it. He doesn't want it.

But then Ned recognizes her voice and it shatters the spell of calm despair. "River?" He pulls his knees closer to his chest, squeezes his eyes shut. "What are you doing here?"
Edited 2013-04-24 00:49 (UTC)
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[personal profile] nedofpies 2013-04-24 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)
The word 'family' echoes in his head, becomes like a lead weight tied around his ankle, dragging him deeper down into a grief that is cold and black and airless like the bottom of a frozen lake. Because he doesn't have a family. Doesn't get to have one. The timing is too perfect for it to be a coincidence. Jesse had been fine (for certain definitions of fine) all his time here, until Ned came along. Until he'd offered his friendship. And then just as Ned had started to rely on the existence of his jokes and his goodness and his particular smile and his way of speaking, the universe had snatched him away.

The rational half of Ned's mind knows that it isn't his fault. It's self-centered (and a little insane) to feel responsible in a matter he's only tangentially involved in. But that rational half has its shadow. Half-formed ideas about curses springing from the way his very being breaks the laws of nature, about divine punishment for his sins, about some faceless scientist engineering a sick joke (is there any difference between the three?) flicker through his mind.

And what if River is next? It makes sense, according to his tortured line of logic. The parallels are inescapable. Jesse had said he'd take care of Ned, when he was so tired and frightened of the nightmares he'd gone days without sleep. (Ned hadn't told River about the nightmares, he remembers, hadn't wanted to worry her while she had an opportunity to be quiet and tranquil and still, like a tree). Jesse had curled up next to him then, the way River is now. And Ned had been grateful for the company. Ned hadn't worried about Jesse, then, because he was a werewolf, had healing powers, could look after himself.

But apparently, he couldn't. So how is Ned supposed to just accept that River's telepathy and her ability to fight will keep her safe, when her name comes to the top of the list of things he's scheduled to lose?

Because it's a when, not an if. That, he's sure of, in this frame of mind. After twenty years of precedent he'd tried a new outlook, had let people get close. Had let River and Charles and Jesse and the rest of them convince him it was safe to do so. But it isn't. The last week has taught him that. Jesse died. Charles turned on him. What horrible thing does the Almighty have in store for River?

(He thinks of it in these terms. The old Sunday school terminology creeps its way back in under the walls, uninvited, when he's wounded and vulnerable and distracted.)

"You deserve better family than me," he whispers, wishing there were some way he could take it back, could make himself not care about River (and he does care, too much, that's the problem) or anyone. "You shouldn't have to-" he trails off, silence standing in for all this, and all River's done for him in the past. Saving him. Being kind to him. Being careful with him, patient with him, despite the fact that he's done nothing to earn it.
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[personal profile] nedofpies 2013-04-26 04:10 pm (UTC)(link)
He hears the words, but he can't bring himself to believe them. Not yet. All the same, River's saying them, meaning them, and it had never occurred to him in all the years of solitude how much it would hurt if someone were to ever care for him.

It seems an impossible combination: River is good, River knows him, River cares about him. He cannot make the three compatible in his mind. Not all at once. He can imagine someone good who knows him but doesn't care about him, or someone who is good and cares about him without really knowing him (Daneel his mind supplies cruelly, or Jesse, or so many of the others), but how can anyone who is good and really knows him - what he is, what he's done - and still manage to care about him?

But there she is, impossibly, a stalwart if small presence curled against his back, refusing to leave.

More than her reassurances, more than her closeness, it is thought that she might be frightened, too, that stirs him from the suffocating hold of his sad stupor. It is his Achilles heel, the fatal crack in his fortifications. He doesn't want River to be scared. He knows that she is braver and stronger than he could ever be and hardly needs him to play the white knight, but being brave and strong doesn't mean happy or unafraid.

Why is he worrying about harm that might come to her, when for all he knows she is hurting right now, this second? He isn't psychic, like she is, doesn't know automatically what's happened to her and what's going on inside her. His concerns about being cursed, about her future, give way to more immediate worry.

Had she known Jesse, too? Or had someone else been hurt or killed or gone missing? Was she feeling responsible for not keeping everyone safe - him included - the way she'd so badly wanted to? Had someone hurt her, while he was a dryad, quieter and more peaceful but also more vulnerable without the ability to hear into the minds of others? He'd been so beset over the course of the week that it seems possible if not likely. River could still fight, he'd seen that when she rescued him from Charlie, but- but there was Charles and his soft words, and perhaps others like him, making it impossible. Why had he let himself get swept away by his grief, why hadn't he checked in with her immediately, made sure she was alright, first?

Ned stirs faintly, knows by now that he doesn't need to speak, that River can sense all of this, but he still wants to say something. "Are you alright?" He thinks of River's brother, so far away, thinks that if she's going to insist on thinking of him as family, that ought to go both ways. Ought to mean he's keeping her safe and happy and whole, by all rights. Or as close as either of them are ever going to get.
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[personal profile] nedofpies 2013-04-28 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
It is strange to Ned, knowing that Jesse was River's friend, too. That she is mourning just as much as he is. The same is true of Galen, Kenzi, anyone else who knew Jesse. Ned's past losses had been intensely private ones, shared by no one around him. There had been a funeral, yes, and a conglomeration of adults who shed tears for his mother while he stood there like a stone. But then, once he was at boarding school, no one knew that his mother had ever lived, much less that she had died and left him empty and aching in ways that, even if they had known, they wouldn't have understood. None of them knew what his father had promised him or about his silence and absence stretching through all the years that followed. So it is strange to think of someone else sharing that hurt with a hurt of their own.

"Erik's missing?"

He hadn't known that, hadn't realized. Hadn't thought to check in. Ned knows that Erik and River are close, that he is close with Charles as well - and how must he be handling it? Ned has never been able to hold a grudge: not really, not for any length of time. He can't stand the thought of so many frightened friends, so many mourning lovers, so many people like River and Daneel left rattling around in empty houses that used to be full of people.

The weight of it (all that loss, all that sadness - not just him, but everyone here) descends on him, crushing the breath out of him. How are any of them supposed to put up with it? How are they supposed to just go on with their lives in this state of heightened uncertainty? He remembers what Daneel had told him earlier, about everything being temporary, about it meaning he needed to hold on more tightly to what he had in the present. But the transience of things here is on fast-forward, is too much for him to keep up with. He can't cope.

"I wish I could promise you I would never disappear," he says very quietly, "I hate that I can't make that promise. I hate that you were Jesse's friend too and he's gone. I hate that Erik's gone." And that's it, he thinks. That pressure on his chest right now isn't sadness: it's hate. "I hate this place. I hate the people behind the cameras. I hate that they can do anything they want with us."
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[personal profile] nedofpies 2013-05-03 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Little by little her presence, her voice is uncurling the cold fingers of despair from around his ribcage. He still aches with sadness for Jesse, and now for Erik and the others who are gone, but at least, for the moment, River is demonstrably here with him and not going anywhere.

The hatred, too, budding and hard-edged, warms him from the inside. River doesn't discourage it, doesn't draw away in disappointment or fear. Because she is River, who knows what he is thinking without an effort, he knows she knows just how deep that hatred goes. How far he thinks it could go, if he ever had means and opportunity to exercise it against the people who brought them here and put them through this. She can see that, and still she isn't pulling away. She approves. Thinks he has a right to be angry, a right to feel wronged, and that means more than he can say.

"A word?"

Ned doesn't know what it means, doesn't know the significance, but River says it like it's important, so he believes her. What he doesn't know is...

"Safety for you or safety for me?"
Edited 2013-05-03 23:53 (UTC)